So sad . Just saw the nationals schedule. Only Oxnard and Channel Islands competing in 2 flag and just Channel Islands for 1 flag. Where is everyone? There were more schools at West.
It brakes my heart to see the “winning team” look like a complete hot ass mess!! Not shaming the team just my honest opinion. The choreographer is running out of ideas so they are taking Bits and pieces from previous schools routines, tweaking them and adding them into their routine. I’m sorry but Channel Islands has no originality whatsoever. They ALWAYS see something another team does and tweak it to call it their own. That is the main reason why I have not posted ANY videos of my choreography. The routine that I just saw has absolutely nothing on what I can bring into the division. I’m not being cocky whatsoever I used to be a HUGE fan of channel but now they are just basic and outdated. Narbonne if you see this hit me up. It’s time to take back your title. I’m full of ideas and creativity that has NEVER EVER been seen. I’m sure the judges would consider it a breath of fresh air.
it doesnt matter whether or not ci had a clean routine or copied moves. they competed against themselves this nationals. so i hope they are enjoying the continued "legacy" and the win. it would feel empty to me tbh. also you dont need to keep bringing up narbonne in all of this. this was clearly a rebuilding year for them, and all of your cheap talk wont resonate well as a possible future choreographer or coach.
To the person saying that channels teams is a hot ass mess, lighten up! seriously you boast about having so much experience but have you ever organized an actual team of high schoolers who do this as only an extra curricular? The reason why teams have tradition is because its easy to teach the posterity routines over and over, rather than coming up with something different each season. I honestly thought CI was really good this year. I seriously had hoped that you could help Narbonne which is why i was helping you out with some information in the other page. But with that kinda mindset and attitude, SFC will reject you, not because they don't need you, but because they have a good reputation to uphold, and i don't think Narbonne needs any beef with anyone. Growing teams don't "COPY" but influence each other. You think Narbonne came up with three flag? I believe Carson did. Each teams have their own styles (including channel) I think the best thing we could do is at least respect each other and support each other - sincerely, a SFC alumni and CI supporter.
Just remember to support each team and not diss CI. How would you feel if you were on CI right now and you guys had just won and you came on here and saw someone say your team is a hot ass mess and disrespected your coaches/choreos? Just spread love and positivity.
First and foremost if I offended anyone I am sorry for that. I come from a very competitive professional dance back ground where that is the mindset you have. If someone told me my routine was crap I will not feel bad at all that’s their honest opinion. I have judged ALL types of competitions including pep flags. That was just my honest opinion. I’m not to worrried about Narbonne rejecting me. My routines WILL be seen by the world I was just giving Narbonne first dibs. Why not change the world of Pep flags? Why keep everything traditional ?? Why compete if you’re going to be offended by Someone’s opinion?? ITS A COMPETITION!! you compete to win!! No one competes for a participation award. The same goes for my opinion about the chreo. You must be blind if you can’t tell everything is repetitive . That’s just my honest opinion. If you get offended by my remarks then so be it. I guess I have a bigger vision of the sport that what everyone else has.
And for the record I have organized a team of high schoolers who never heard of pep flags and taught them the art of twirl. The ONLY reason they did not compete was because the school was out of state. So I know what it takes to build a team
I'm blind? Of course I see repetition. I never stated that I didn't, and if I did, never mind. Okay I will admit that I was wrong, and I apologize for that. You must be the king of Pep Flags. Go, and conquer the competition world. Why don't you just kick out all the alumni and their repetition and take over! The whole pep flag community, Carson, Channel Islands, Morse, Narbonne, SPSV, Arcadia, Mary Immaculate, Oxnard, Bell, Bishop Montgomery, San Pedro, and others, LISTEN UP. Aparently, this guy commenting has a "BIGGER VISION" of the PEP FLAGS!!!! He apparently comes from "a very professional dance background" He doesn't care about tradition. All he cares about is WINNING!!!!!! He might just be the guy you need to win, so hit him up!
Let me set the record straight here . The only “bad” thing I said was “the winning team” was a hot ass mess. I did not dis credit any other team that performed, Just the winning team. Carson and Morse are the only schools holding down the division when it comes to creativity . They do not need any outside help, they have a strong enough program to take it all. I was referring to Channel Islands . They like to say “Bow to the champions” like really? How dare you say something like that when to me your routine looks like its all over the place. You’re taking what I’m saying Waaaaaaaaay out of context. I’m not down talking the teams hat built this sport, all I’m saying is do better and be better. Think outside the box. Nothing wrong with adding flavor to your traditional style . Carson does it ALL the time. Morse created their own lane. San Pedro always has the best one flag mixes ( in my opinion). So please don’t make it seem like I’m bashing all of the teams. All I’m sayjng is THINK BIGGER!!! there is soooo much you can do with a simple flag. Yes my vision of the sport is huge!! It can go way further than just USA and mddt nationals. I’m already looking into growing the sport more. My passion for twirl and making it mainstream is undeniable. I’ll say it again why compete if you don’t plan to win? If you compete just to have fun there’s no point. That’s like going to a job interview and saying “ I don’t care if I get the job I’m just here to have fun” nah don’t work like that.
@26d you're clearly an adult but you're not acting like it here. Being proud of choreography skills is one thing, but you're coming off as super arrogant about it. Sadly, you can't see how small this division is becoming and instead of bringing in something new with positivity, you've already distanced yourself by bringing other teams, styles/traditions etc down. You aren't doing any favors for yourself. But good luck on that big-version stage "dude"
I’m sorry if you feel I’m bringing down other teams that’s not my intent. You keep saying teams but again there is only ONE team I talked about but it’s my opinion and this is a blog where you can express your thoughts. Have you ever stop and wondered why the sport isn’t growing?? I have and that is what made me want to fight and strive for something more with this sport. If students were to see a well executed routine and that was something out of the norm they will be interested in joing because it’s not what you see year after year. Tradition is not bad at all. BUT what’s wrong with adding to the tradition?? Clearly you don’t see my point of view all you see is I’m down talking teams and think I’m better than them. I’m doing what a any viewer or blogger would do which is analyze and express my thoughts. Im sorry if it sounded harsh I’m just being honest. That is your opinion of me and that’s fine. I’ll accept that. You don’t need to join a particular team to make your visions come to life. You don’t even have to be involved with the teams to do that. I know it may come off as being arrogant but all I’m doing is speaking my mind. Sorry if you are offended by that. Not everyone is going to agree with you and I learned that already but it’s not going to stop a movement. I will end on this note. Thank you for the good luck wishes and the big versioned stage part . . . Anything is possible just wait for it
Bishop Alumni chimming in here! If everyone can’t see the obvious right now, pep flags seems to slowly become a smaller & smaller division each year. Look at USA Nationals.. only Oxnard & CI competed while Narbonne, Oxnard, Carson, CI, Bishop, & San Pedro competed at West Spirit day. Although winning is the greatest feeling after long practice hours & a long competition day, that’s not the best part. Performing and watching/knowing others who share the same passion as you is the best feeling. What other division do you know takes a group picture all together just to appreciate the same passion we all share? No other division does that. So let’s just appreciate what we have left of pep flags because who knows who will still be competing in the next few years! Enjoy the choreography, appreciate the old/new/traditional tricks & moves! :)
@26d95..... I do apologize still though because I kinda got a little upset and annoyed by your necessity to win. I really care about Narbonnes name and would never want it to be ruined. If what you say is true and you bring something better to the table for them and they constantly win, they will become the new CI. See what i mean? However , I am still very interested in what you have come up and would love to see your skill. I got your email from the other page and will email you in a while. OMG remember when narbonne did the ball toss? Please tell me you could do that!!!! With love and respect <3
@ the bishop alumni, I'm here with you. I love tradition and seeing how it evolves with time. Going to a competition and seeing a move from a team that the alumni had saw at their competitions when they were competing is absolutely awesome. I feel that love and support for each other is all that we have left to save this community. We must rebuild. I do accept @26ds need to help rebuild narbonne, but not his need for victory. I think that if the SF community gets stronger, more people will want to join the teams, ending the #lessthan6peopleteams era hahaha. Hopefully by 2020 we will have a season where there are at least 6 or more people on teams. Love, a fellow sf alumni
And I apologize if I came off rude and arrogant that is not who I am I’m just passionate and sometimes it comes off the wrong way...yes I can do ball trick/toss. I even created a new version of it for them because i noticed it wasn’t being done. I just honestly miss when all the teams where at the top and NO one could guess who the winner was. Because every school was great. I know it seems like all I care about is victory. That’s not the case at all I just really want to see the team regain the championship.
As a Narbonne alum I have to say that not many people are interested in joining the team anymore:( A lot of people seem to be more interested in joining sports and other things. It's mostly because small flags barely have the opportunity to perform in front of people at school. The only time they perform is during pep rallies which is limited to fall during the foot ball season. As a school with low school spirit, not many people go see the pep rallies, and therefore many people don't even know what small flags is. And even if some people see small flags performing, since its the beginning of the year and the routine is short and not as complete and visually entertaining as the competition routine. And they never get to perform for our school during comp seasons, when the routines are mostly clean and long. I think one of the reasons why CI gets to have a team with more than 6 people is because ci seem to have rallies throughout the year, and based off of the ci rally videos on youtube, there seem to be a lot of audience and school spirit. Sfc usually try getting eighth graders from the two feeding middle schools to try out but one is unfortunately dominated by carson, and the other doesnt seem to be that interested.
That’s crazy!! When I attended narbonne we were all about spirit. Usually small flags and drill team would perform during halftime at basketball games and we had a “special rally” towards the end of the year to get the Students to try out for the sport. Tall flags, small flags, drill team, cheer and band would all perform. They don’t do that anymore?!?!? :( that is very heart breaking.
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is short flags gone at other schools now? spsv? hoover? lbp? what happened to TWIRLIES?
Twirlies was supposed to be a San Diego based elite competition team under Morse Twirl’s coach and alumni. I guess it didn’t take off.
Is anyone going to post the videos from West Spirit Day?
So sad . Just saw the nationals schedule. Only Oxnard and Channel Islands competing in 2 flag and just Channel Islands for 1 flag. Where is everyone? There were more schools at West.
basically boycotting USA
Are they at least doing SHARP?
It brakes my heart to see the “winning team” look like a complete hot ass mess!! Not shaming the team just my honest opinion. The choreographer is running out of ideas so they are taking Bits and pieces from previous schools routines, tweaking them and adding them into their routine. I’m sorry but Channel Islands has no originality whatsoever. They ALWAYS see something another team does and tweak it to call it their own. That is the main reason why I have not posted ANY videos of my choreography. The routine that I just saw has absolutely nothing on what I can bring into the division. I’m not being cocky whatsoever I used to be a HUGE fan of channel but now they are just basic and outdated. Narbonne if you see this hit me up. It’s time to take back your title. I’m full of ideas and creativity that has NEVER EVER been seen. I’m sure the judges would consider it a breath of fresh air.
it doesnt matter whether or not ci had a clean routine or copied moves. they competed against themselves this nationals. so i hope they are enjoying the continued "legacy" and the win. it would feel empty to me tbh. also you dont need to keep bringing up narbonne in all of this. this was clearly a rebuilding year for them, and all of your cheap talk wont resonate well as a possible future choreographer or coach.
To the person saying that channels teams is a hot ass mess, lighten up! seriously you boast about having so much experience but have you ever organized an actual team of high schoolers who do this as only an extra curricular? The reason why teams have tradition is because its easy to teach the posterity routines over and over, rather than coming up with something different each season. I honestly thought CI was really good this year. I seriously had hoped that you could help Narbonne which is why i was helping you out with some information in the other page. But with that kinda mindset and attitude, SFC will reject you, not because they don't need you, but because they have a good reputation to uphold, and i don't think Narbonne needs any beef with anyone. Growing teams don't "COPY" but influence each other. You think Narbonne came up with three flag? I believe Carson did. Each teams have their own styles (including channel) I think the best thing we could do is at least respect each other and support each other
- sincerely, a SFC alumni and CI supporter.
Just remember to support each team and not diss CI. How would you feel if you were on CI right now and you guys had just won and you came on here and saw someone say your team is a hot ass mess and disrespected your coaches/choreos? Just spread love and positivity.
First and foremost if I offended anyone I am sorry for that. I come from a very competitive professional dance back ground where that is the mindset you have. If someone told me my routine was crap I will not feel bad at all that’s their honest opinion. I have judged ALL types of competitions including pep flags. That was just my honest opinion. I’m not to worrried about Narbonne rejecting me. My routines WILL be seen by the world I was just giving Narbonne first dibs. Why not change the world of Pep flags? Why keep everything traditional ?? Why compete if you’re going to be offended by Someone’s opinion?? ITS A COMPETITION!! you compete to win!! No one competes for a participation award. The same goes for my opinion about the chreo. You must be blind if you can’t tell everything is repetitive . That’s just my honest opinion. If you get offended by my remarks then so be it. I guess I have a bigger vision of the sport that what everyone else has.
And for the record I have organized a team of high schoolers who never heard of pep flags and taught them the art of twirl. The ONLY reason they did not compete was because the school was out of state. So I know what it takes to build a team
I'm blind? Of course I see repetition. I never stated that I didn't, and if I did, never mind. Okay I will admit that I was wrong, and I apologize for that. You must be the king of Pep Flags. Go, and conquer the competition world. Why don't you just kick out all the alumni and their repetition and take over! The whole pep flag community, Carson, Channel Islands, Morse, Narbonne, SPSV, Arcadia, Mary Immaculate, Oxnard, Bell, Bishop Montgomery, San Pedro, and others, LISTEN UP. Aparently, this guy commenting has a "BIGGER VISION" of the PEP FLAGS!!!! He apparently comes from "a very professional dance background" He doesn't care about tradition. All he cares about is WINNING!!!!!! He might just be the guy you need to win, so hit him up!
Let me set the record straight here . The only “bad” thing I said was “the winning team” was a hot ass mess. I did not dis credit any other team that performed, Just the winning team. Carson and Morse are the only schools holding down the division when it comes to creativity . They do not need any outside help, they have a strong enough program to take it all. I was referring to Channel Islands . They like to say
“Bow to the champions” like really? How dare you say something like that when to me your routine looks like its all over the place. You’re taking what I’m saying Waaaaaaaaay out of context. I’m not down talking the teams hat built this sport, all I’m saying is do better and be better. Think outside the box. Nothing wrong with adding flavor to your traditional style . Carson does it ALL the time. Morse created their own lane. San Pedro always has the best one flag mixes ( in my opinion). So please don’t make it seem like I’m bashing all of the teams. All I’m sayjng is THINK BIGGER!!! there is soooo much you can do with a simple flag. Yes my vision of the sport is huge!! It can go way further than just USA and mddt nationals. I’m already looking into growing the sport more. My passion for twirl and making it mainstream is undeniable. I’ll say it again why compete if you don’t plan to win? If you compete just to have fun there’s no point. That’s like going to a job interview and saying “ I don’t care if I get the job I’m just here to have fun” nah don’t work like that.
@26d you're clearly an adult but you're not acting like it here. Being proud of choreography skills is one thing, but you're coming off as super arrogant about it. Sadly, you can't see how small this division is becoming and instead of bringing in something new with positivity, you've already distanced yourself by bringing other teams, styles/traditions etc down. You aren't doing any favors for yourself. But good luck on that big-version stage "dude"
I’m sorry if you feel I’m bringing down other teams that’s not my intent. You keep saying teams but again there is only ONE team I talked about but it’s my opinion and this is a blog where you can express your thoughts. Have you ever stop and wondered why the sport isn’t growing?? I have and that is what made me want to fight and strive for something more with this sport. If students were to see a well executed routine and that was something out of the norm they will be interested in joing because it’s not what you see year after year. Tradition is not bad at all. BUT what’s wrong with adding to the tradition?? Clearly you don’t see my point of view all you see is I’m down talking teams and think I’m better than them. I’m doing what a any viewer or blogger would do which is analyze and express my thoughts. Im sorry if it sounded harsh I’m just being honest. That is your opinion of me and that’s fine. I’ll accept that. You don’t need to join a particular team to make your visions come to life. You don’t even have to be involved with the teams to do that. I know it may come off as being arrogant but all I’m doing is speaking my mind. Sorry if you are offended by that. Not everyone is going to agree with you and I learned that already but it’s not going to stop a movement. I will end on this note. Thank you for the good luck wishes and the big versioned stage part . . . Anything is possible just wait for it
Bishop Alumni chimming in here! If everyone can’t see the obvious right now, pep flags seems to slowly become a smaller & smaller division each year. Look at USA Nationals.. only Oxnard & CI competed while Narbonne, Oxnard, Carson, CI, Bishop, & San Pedro competed at West Spirit day. Although winning is the greatest feeling after long practice hours & a long competition day, that’s not the best part. Performing and watching/knowing others who share the same passion as you is the best feeling. What other division do you know takes a group picture all together just to appreciate the same passion we all share? No other division does that. So let’s just appreciate what we have left of pep flags because who knows who will still be competing in the next few years! Enjoy the choreography, appreciate the old/new/traditional tricks & moves! :)
@26d95..... I do apologize still though because I kinda got a little upset and annoyed by your necessity to win. I really care about Narbonnes name and would never want it to be ruined. If what you say is true and you bring something better to the table for them and they constantly win, they will become the new CI. See what i mean? However , I am still very interested in what you have come up and would love to see your skill. I got your email from the other page and will email you in a while. OMG remember when narbonne did the ball toss? Please tell me you could do that!!!! With love and respect <3
@ the bishop alumni, I'm here with you. I love tradition and seeing how it evolves with time. Going to a competition and seeing a move from a team that the alumni had saw at their competitions when they were competing is absolutely awesome. I feel that love and support for each other is all that we have left to save this community. We must rebuild. I do accept @26ds need to help rebuild narbonne, but not his need for victory. I think that if the SF community gets stronger, more people will want to join the teams, ending the #lessthan6peopleteams era hahaha. Hopefully by 2020 we will have a season where there are at least 6 or more people on teams. Love, a fellow sf alumni
And I apologize if I came off rude and arrogant that is not who I am I’m just passionate and sometimes it comes off the wrong way...yes I can do ball trick/toss. I even created a new version of it for them because i noticed it wasn’t being done. I just honestly miss when all the teams where at the top and NO one could guess who the winner was. Because every school was great. I know it seems like all I care about is victory. That’s not the case at all I just really want to see the team regain the championship.
As a Narbonne alum I have to say that not many people are interested in joining the team anymore:( A lot of people seem to be more interested in joining sports and other things. It's mostly because small flags barely have the opportunity to perform in front of people at school. The only time they perform is during pep rallies which is limited to fall during the foot ball season. As a school with low school spirit, not many people go see the pep rallies, and therefore many people don't even know what small flags is. And even if some people see small flags performing, since its the beginning of the year and the routine is short and not as complete and visually entertaining as the competition routine. And they never get to perform for our school during comp seasons, when the routines are mostly clean and long. I think one of the reasons why CI gets to have a team with more than 6 people is because ci seem to have rallies throughout the year, and based off of the ci rally videos on youtube, there seem to be a lot of audience and school spirit. Sfc usually try getting eighth graders from the two feeding middle schools to try out but one is unfortunately dominated by carson, and the other doesnt seem to be that interested.
That’s crazy!! When I attended narbonne we were all about spirit. Usually small flags and drill team would perform during halftime at basketball games and we had a “special rally” towards the end of the year to get the Students to try out for the sport. Tall flags, small flags, drill team, cheer and band would all perform. They don’t do that anymore?!?!? :( that is very heart breaking.
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